The penny drops podcast: Money and your mental health


In this episode of 'The penny drops', host Andrea Fox speaks to fashionpreneur and mental health campaigner George David Hodgson and Brian Semple, Head of External Affairs at the independent charity Money & Mental Health.

What will we be talking about?

This month we look at how our finances can affect our mental health, and vice versa, with lots of helpful tips on everything from employee rights to where to go for support. We cover:

  • How mental health conditions or disorders impact day-to-day life.
  • Signs to recognise that our mental health may be suffering.
  • Ways our mental health is linked to our financial health, and vice versa. 
  • Working while struggling with your mental health.
  • Approaching the subject of mental health with employers.
  • The impact of taking time off work, and where to go for support and information.
  • Dealing with banks or financial service providers when suffering with mental health problems.
  • Ways to support family or loved ones with managing money issues.
  • Where to go for emotional support or help coping with a condition.

Who is our guest?

George David Hodgson is a fashionpreneur, public speaker and mental health campaigner. In 2014, George founded award-winning fashion brand Maison de Choup out of his battle with severe anxiety and obsessive compulsive disorder. He also works with children and young people's mental health charity YoungMinds as a youth advisor.

Brian Semple leads the communications and influencing work for Money & Mental Health, which is working to break the link between financial difficulty and mental health problems. He’s also held external affairs roles at the charity Rethink Mental Illness as well as Centre for Cities, the leading think tank dedicated to improving the economies of the UK's largest cities and towns.

All views and opinions expressed in the podcast are those of the guest and not of Royal London.

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How can you find more information?

Royal London recommends you seek professional independent financial advice before making financial decisions. You can learn more about the value of financial advice on our website, or visit Unbiased to find a trusted professional in your area.

You can also find lots of helpful information about finances and mental health, some of which are mentioned in this episode, on the following sites:

General support
Work and employment
Health services and support groups
Urgent help
  • If you need to speak to someone, you can call the Samaritans anytime, day or night, on 116 123.

This month’s episode was recorded in February 2020, before any Government restrictions were put in place in relation to coronavirus. For more information on the new measures and financial support being offered by the Government, please visit

Please note that all topics discussed in this episode can vary depending on your personal circumstances. Any figures quoted were accurate at the time of recording.

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